Billy Graham Minute. So you never know. Published in Testimony. It was very difficult for my family in the early days to cope with. Finding your way back to God when everything is pulling you away(Nelson). 40.2K followers. God, not us, instituted the hierarchy in His church. A21, the anti-trafficking organisation that she and her husband founded, has seen more women rescued and more traffickers prosecuted during Covid-19 than at any point in its history. Id like to know how you find Christine Cains teachings to not be Biblical? I want to share my life, not a filtered life., In both her writing and speaking, no topic is off-limits whether it is the sexual abuse she suffered as a child, finding out that she was adopted in her 30s, battling thyroid cancer in her 40s, or the panic attacks that she started to experience in her 50s. And I have never heard them condemn anyones teaching like they are being condemned here. . The first three points more or less presuppose the context of a local congregation. In person, Caine is funny, loud and unapologetic. I would say the fawning over Christine Caine and other false teachers is more akin to being cult like. God gave you a lifeboat. We must allow or error otherwise we cannot trully attend any church because as soon as we walk in there is sin and error. Victoria Osteen shares how God can use your past to bring greatness to the Kingdom. (I mean, isnt that the point?) Dont sit back and have others do the work for you. Lydias evident social power exemplified by her control of a household and ownership of a house (which she offered to St. Paul and his companions) indicates that she was most likely a free woman and possibly a widow. I site that purposes to tear down people that are of the faith. False teacher? The author of seven books, her latest release is Unexpected: Leave Fear Behind, Move Forward in Faith, Embrace the Adventure. What we have learned in this last year, if we hadnt known it already, is that you cant put your hope in anything else. It's taken her a lifetime, but world-travelling preacher, author and rescuer of trafficking victims, Christine Caine, is finally free from shame. He simply did not yet know the full apostolic message. Presumptuous, ridiculous and like a Christine Caine sermon unbiblical. Here is a Pastrix Caine sermon review. I have heard her speak twice now (both at womens conferences, and its my understanding that the Bible calls for women to teach other women), and have not heard her say anything unBiblical. We rebuke it because we dont want people to be misled. Christine Caine regularly associates and partners in ministry with false teachers. Christian Church. for it must needs be that offences come; but woe to that man by whom the offence cometh! Unrepentant false teachers are, men of depraved mind, rejected as regards the faith (2 Tim. If you know and read your bible that is quite obvious. Pastrix Christine Caine from hereticalHillsong ChurchAustraliais a teacher that the serious Christian should steer clear of. He takes the trials and tests and turns them into a testimony.". In point 6, it reads: If they persist despite the warnings and either dont have a husband to oversee them, have no proper oversight from a husband who has abdicated his duty, or who just are or are married to a discernment klutz, then various scriptures say either to admonish them strongly a third time and/or to break fellowship., Point six is given without a bible reference. 3For the time will come when men will not tolerate sound doctrine, but with itching ears they will gather around themselves teachers to suit their own desires. People tried to silence me, but God was faithful, Ravi Zacharias sins of sexual abuse went undetected for years. What do you think you can do differently to appeal to the masses that you should be trying to save?. I have seen and experienced the damage of hearsay, twisted words, misunderstood contexts, and the like, and I also am an avid believer that the Lord will hold me accountable for every word I say (or type), including how those words impact the reputation, feelings, faith, and guidance of others. 3 And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven. I remember cleaning the toilets as well. Your value can only come from Jesus. (Romans 16:17-18). To whoever wrote this, I pray that love invades your heart for a daughter of the King. These are the very people that turn people away from God with all their judging and misinterpretation of the bible. When people are seeking to resolve conflict by following Matthew 18, I am interested in doing all I can to help seek Godly resolution. 2023 BGEA Christine Caine. In retrospect, Caine says she had to endure much despair in order to have a story of healing but it was because she ended up learning a lesson she thought she already knew. Christ said, They will know you by your love for one another., not differences. Additionally, Christine has close relationships with Beth Moore and Priscilla Shirer, frequently sharing the stage or partnering with both. Mans heart is deceitful, and beyond cure..Jeremiah 17:9. Paul commands Titus and the believers in Crete to distance themselves from false teachers, As for a person who stirs up division, after warning him once and then twice, have nothing more to do with him (Titus 3:10). I will live my life by His example, by His word and how the Holy Spirit reveals the word to me, not by man/woman alone and definitely not by this article or ministries as such. The apostle John addresses such a scenario in 2 John and 3 John. Anyway be blessed ! Keep seeking the Lord and His truth will be found by you. Marin, before you apply anything to your life from C. Caine perhaps you can use your discernment to see the wolf under the sheep costume. The baskets kept filling up no matter how much food they distributed. Woman can be used and will be used by God wether some like it or not. The strawman argument youre trying to rope me into wont work with me. The masses you speak about want nothing to do with that, they want to have their ears tickled by false teaching. The Holy Spirit draws people to Jesus, whether we understand it or know it, its just a mystery. 4So they will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.. Wow. Meyer teaches word of Faith heresies that are available for anyone to read. "I sat in many waiting rooms full of cancer patients I could see the fear in their eyes. I have seen words tear apart friendships, relationships, business partnerships, and churches, and so I want to use mine responsibly. Youll find her corrupt theology lacking. But employ the wrong application. As Christians, we need to compare the current, mainstream teachings to the Israelites of the minor prophet era they were mixing in unholy sacrifice and worship. When you question someones salvation, you are questioning their citizenship in heaven. Thats not in scripture. 4So they will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.. What Christ? You do not need to read Greek, Hebrew and Aramaic to have a happy marriage, just be a Christian! Try the Catholic Church if you want truth! But just as you assume others come on here just to defend their favorite teachers, I ask what do you come on here to do? Without blemish or lies, we strive with and warn others of the impending judgement coming upon this world. Christine Caine is an Australian born, Greek blooded, lover of Jesus, a sought-after international speaker, author and activist. I didn't start 25 years ago with a global ministry. Emma is a trustee for Christian festival Creation Fest and lives in Cornwall with her husband and two teenage daughters. To enjoy our website, you'll need to enable JavaScript in your web browser. Being that Christine Caine is a product of Hillsong, look up a must-watch video from Brian Moonan called HELLSONG. 11 For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost. If the message they are preaching are not the message of the True Gospel of Jesus Christ, they are not preaching truth and therefore are not bound by the rules for taking aside someone in the church. To believe a womans place is smaller than a mans is at best silly and at worst disingenuous to what God offers. ~ Christine Caine. Apollos was a man mighty in the scriptures who taught accurately about Jesus but who nevertheless was only familiar with Johns baptism. We won't be quick to criticise or condemn. Believers are to have nothing to do with anyone who claims authority as a teacher but who is not sound concerning the doctrine of Christ. You are even going by a username that hides your real identity. They are the ones who voted for Obama and Hillary. Saddlebacks Rick Warren appoints 3 women pastors, Fed up with false teaching: Calvary Chapel church says So Long to the CC Association, Brodersen splits from CCA; calls for new Global Network, Michael Brown Continues to Deny the NAR, Defends Montanism, Progressive Christians and their doctrines of devils, Apologist James White Draws Concerns After Holding, Defending Interfaith Dialogue at Church With Muslim Imam, My church practices the Sinners Prayer'. You live all of your life with the utmost transparency including your family life. Also to you clueless ignorants and your weak pitiful statements and untruths saying who are you to judge and stop pointing the finger type things, .stating and pointing out facts is not judging, lol. And there is one thing you must remember about wolves which separates them from Christians. I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars . They walked as one for they had mutually agreed to put Christ first. I just wrapped up finals in Folk Religion & Animism at a fully accredited Christian university. Like her or not, Christines message convicted me and got me back to the business of reaching out to the lost. (1 Timothy 2:12; Revelation 2:20). The act of circle marking is occult in nature period. These people you speak of are powerful speakers of Gods word.. Its to bad you didnt spend your time teaching the Love of God rather then sit here in judgment of people your time would be better spent. Just like peter you dont know what spirit you are speaking from. My life was as far away from God at that point as you could imagine [but] I went into this seminar, and this dude speaks the gospel in a way that was just so profound to me. Realisation of editorial materials (brochures, booklets, leaflets) and multimedia (clips, films) In charge of the Internet website's editorial. 3. ( 1 Timothy 2:12; Revelation 2:20) 3. She is a product of, has held leadership positions at, and is closely affiliated with Hillsong, which is, undeniably, a Word of Faith church. Christine is a regular contributor to the Hillsong blog page, the Hillsong web site maintains a bio page on her, and she is a regularly featured speaker at Hillsongs Colour Conference for women and other Hillsong events. Maybe its time to watch this short clip. It was 9 a.m. in Australia, and my doctor in the U.S. had called to give me the results of the thyroid biopsy I . -- Christine Caine . We strive to bring His word to people! Paul is adamant that no change can be introduced into the apostolic gospel. Christine Caine. Im very confident that if we apply those principles on an ongoing daily basis we can walk in victory. Return to homepage. Sorry, Christine Caine nor Joyce Meters is Esther, do what Esther did nor follow what is commanded: 13 And Mordecai told them to answer Esther: Do not think in your heart that you will escape in the kings palace any more than all the other Jews. Where is that Biblical? After reading several, my discernment tells me this is nothing less than a cult. IF YOU ARE PRAYING TO SAINTS, MARY, WELL THESE ARE PEOPLE THAT DEDICATED THEIR LIVES TO CHRIST, AS SHOULD WE, BUT NOT WORSHIP THEM. Every woman, girl on the planet is a daughter of the most high king, made in Gods image. Those who persist in false teaching present grave spiritual danger and must be opposed. Click here for instructions on how to enable JavaScript in your browser. Life and death is in the power of the tongue.nothing wrong with positive prayers and claiming blessings over our children. Her vision is to help people overcome the obstacles, hurdles and challenges of life and maximize their God-given potential and purpose. Word of Faith When Christians call out false teachings, teachers and practices theyre doing what is commanded in scripture, or havent you read how you are to deal with those that say theyre teachers, but their not? Manny, I dont want to jump too far into your conversation with someone else, but Id like to lovingly bring something to your attention. People seeking God care about others. Jesus said Narrow is the road and only a FEW find it. But what we see with most of these women that are rising in popularity is what appears to be a female dominant role in their personal marriages. The weapon of the enemy are the wolves standing behind pulpits teaching lies and heresies to the sheep, who would rather follow them than Jesus Christ. You can have a life beyond your past. When the bestselling author, internationally acclaimed speaker and leader of multiple international organisations appears on our morning Zoom call, she is straight off the treadmill, laughing and apologising for her appearance in a sorry-not-sorry way that epitomises her no-nonsense attitude. 5; 2 Cor. Weve seen that, this last year, everything else has been shaken. At the beginning of the class, and many of the students were skeptical. When you are calling names, questioning the faith of, or making assumptions about a person, you ARE making it personal. Love is the most powerful thing on earth, I dont know why you waste your time gossiping and making assumptions up about people But its not my place to worry about that. That's probably why I'm so intense, passionate, and serious about my faithbecause it wasn't a light decision. I dont share my faith enough (which is what Christine called outand evangelism IS BIBLICAL so Im thankful for it), and I have areas where I can demonstrate delayed or even a lack of obedience. Yet who knows whether you have come to the kingdom for such a time as this?, 15 Then Esther told them to reply to Mordecai: 16 Go, gather all the Jews who are present in Shushan, and fast for me; neither eat nor drink for three days, night or day. This is strictly how a person who is not qualified, is handling scripture. Xoxox. She travels without her husband! Pluease! Among these are Hymenaeus and Alexander, whom I have delivered over to Satan, so that they may be taught not to blaspheme (1 Tim. I had to really get to a place where I felt Id made good headway in living a shame-free life, to be able to put the stuff that Ive learnt in writing. Where am I?So I thought:OK, Im gonna put it all out there. is one of many scriptures that come to mind, I love that you are always willing to name names, as we are required to do in Romans 16:17. I have also lost friends to cults due to their lack of knowledge of the scriptures for themselves, and it breaks my heart every day. . 2) What is the role of a single women & widows in the church, if she is not preoccupied with the duties of wife and mother? The congregation has a role in this, which brings us to our third point. Is it getting people to repent? A word of advice to those erroneously holding unto these beliefs, read your Bibles, put down your favorite idol for a second and read what Jesus said about: False teachers, false brethren, faulty theology, and the biggest of them all the coming judgement on these purveyors of lies and on the whole world itself. Jakes' denial of the Trinity, to Christine Caine's Word of Faith heresy, to Lysa TerKeurst's teaching of contemplative prayer. Actually there are two churches, THE BRIDE and the HARLOT CHURCH. 2:11, 14). When you make comments like, Really, you need to figure that out from false teachers?, what do you hope to gain from it? Yoga. There's not often this instant physical healing. Oh, so you have had a chance to talk with them one on one in the spirit of Matthew 18? 8 Wherefore if thy hand or thy foot offend thee, cut them off, and cast them from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life halt or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet to be cast into everlasting fire. Yet for Scott, the negative impact of this event lingers. Hebrews 12:27 says: Only those things that can be shaken will be shaken so that those things that cannot be shaken shall remain. Were about to go back out into the real world again and what is the only thing that wasnt shaken? Ill be sure to steer clear. With her husband Nick, Christine is a pastor at Hillsong . Weak and shallow theology is taught, and many grab onto it because they do not read Gods word as intended. This was going to be yet another chance for me to practice what I so often preached to others.". I cannot believe I just read this comment on a Christian site. An emotional empty garbage bag called Churchianity, where the Caines, Hybels, Moores if this world deposit their lies. Dear Amy, You have the right idea. Do I seem like this in my workplace, my family, on social media? Do you think theres a lack of urgency in Western Christianity, because were too comfortable? ph: +61 2 9854 7000 | fax: +61 2 9831 4999. A lot of us have drifted from that call of discipleship. by Christine Caine is available now, To hear the full interview listen to Premier Christian Radio at 8pm on 3 July or download The Profile podcast, The agnostic journalist Elle Hardy has been investigating how Pentecostalism is taking over the world. 24 And the Lords bond-servant must not be quarrelsome, but be kind to all, able to teach, patient when wronged, 25 with gentleness correcting those who are in opposition, if perhaps God may grant them repentance leading to the knowledge of the truth, 26 and they may come to their senses and escape from the snare of the devil, having been held captive by him to do his will (2 Timothy 2:24-26). Really, you need to figure that out from false teachers? In addition, Christine Caine endorses practice of pagan/witchcraft as seen here in Battersons Circle Making book blurb, 2. Christine Caine (Activist, Evan- [1] [2] [3] 1 She is preaching to men. The Lord convicted me about that through Ms Caines message, and I will forever be grateful to Him for the message and to her for being the vessel. Christine Caine usurps male authority and rebels against the clear word of the Bible. I dont believe it. But it should also be motivated by a desire to see false teachers come to repentance and faith. We recognise their continuing connection to the land and waters, and thank them for protecting this land and its ecosystems since time immemorial. The mass followings, the hundreds for Christ are just numbers. Who will replace retiring Rick Warren at Saddlebacks Helm? LOL! I was born for this time - and so were you. What do you think you can do differently to appeal to the masses that you should be trying to save? If any human being, or even an angel from heaven, preaches another gospel (another of a different kind), Paul prays that he should be accursed. There are many other denominations that have been around for years that teach false doctrines Scientology and Jehovahs Witnesses come to mind. If marriage alone (or in the case of a woman) who wants to minister or have a place in some form of leadership or influence in the church is only legitimized in ministering through the oversight of her husband, then that would appear to be highly problematic for 2 reasons: 1) What then is the role of Jesus as our heavenly/spiritual husband (as emphasized in Mathew 25/ Isaiah 54:5)? Listen as they unp. Anyone who goes beyond and will not continue abiding in the biblical doctrine of Christ has abandoned God. Am I talking like this? I only speak on my personal experiences, what I have read, what I have heard, what I have been taught, and what interactions I participated in. Heck, Christine taught me to get more diligent about making disciples and you found a way to completely trash that. You want to be a woman of God? Thanks, Amy! 17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.. And I believe that impacts 24 hours of our day, seven days a week and every sphere of life. You know for someone who looks down on judging, you sure do a lot of it. The examples of Apollos and Peter show us that any one of us might be subject to imbibing and disseminating false teaching. Michelle, if the Christ you follow is the Christ that Christine Caine espouses, then its not the Christ of the Bible. I have felt my fervor for studying and deepening my walk with the Lord be VERY attacked by your making a similar comment. But if you are the kind of person who always shrinks back from conflicteither because youre afraid or because you dont want to risk offending people or risk your chance at gathering a megachurchif you always shrink back from the conflict that sound doctrine brings, then you are not qualified to be a pastor. Trying to save? Christine Caine treats the bible in thissermonin a similar wayhow a clairvoyant will speak vague things into a persons life as though they are predicting a persons fate/destiny. And if you think God didnt use women to lead men and women in scripture In the end, I need to know what I believe, and make sure my life aligns with it, before I start pointing fingers at others. You have NOT confronted them to their faces. Heres what she discovered, Three years before the pandemic struck, Greg Boyd received an unusual prophetic word, which prompted him to move his churchs material online. 1 Corinthians 15:33, 2 Corinthians 6:14; Romans 16:17-18,Ephesians 5:11). God bless you. There are soooo many books that have women leaders in them. There is an honesty about Christine Caine that is rare in high-profile leaders. Ok, Ill step out of the conversation again. For Christine, shame grew out of numerous hardships: schoolyard bullying, the discovery at age 33 that she was an adopted child abandoned by her biological parents, and most significantly years of sexual abuse that she suffered as a child. Amen (I Timothy 6:20-21). Thanks for sharing. By the way, both Joyce Meyer & Christine Caine honor God, His call on their redeemed lives and they honor their husbands as well. Those who respond to biblical correction reveal that they have the Spirit and are under the command of Jesus. However, I see the followers of this site not as such.. Her work is a testimony of the . When I tore my ACL while downhill skiing, the pain was excruciating, but nothing like the physical therapy afterward. Eschatology (End Times) If a quarrelsome person is left to himself he will soon have nobody with which to quarrel. As I have confessed elsewhere, I have been in this position before. Nothing loving here as far as i can see. The Bible clearly forbids this in a number of passages. Perhaps this is where we are talking past each other. Or, as SBTS President Dr Al Mohler put it, a prosperity movement for millennialsthat minimizes the Gospel content and diffuses a presentation of spirituality instead. Emergent Church But dont call him a missionary, Matt Redman: Reverence in worship has become my lifelong pursuit. Ex-lesbian Jackie Hill Perry recently rebuked Christians who were angry that she spoke on stage at Christine Caine's Propel Women conference and called Bethel Music's Jenn Johnson her friend. I am not at that point where I would feel confident before Him doing the same, so I only ask that you understand. Paul ratchets up the rhetoric when facing down serious error coming from Hymenaeus and Alexander: Some have rejected and suffered shipwreck in regard to their faith. I could not have said it better. As a matter of fact, Christines call for women to lean in to evangelism in this day and age and to NOT allow the politically chaotic environment to distract or discourage us from our calling to make disciples inspired me to examine the last time I led a lost soul to Christ. I am curious to know the biblical basis for those who are unmarried to not be able to minister? And for that I am so thankful. Do you know me to say such a thing? What does the Church need to do from here? Im truly confused and wondering. As a minister myself, I cannot tell you how often the Lord has rebuked me after something I preached, we dont see the side of the preachers personal walk with the Lord who believe me will deal with whatever we speak. I Love Christine Caines sermons Not you or anyone else will stop me from listening to her .. HAVE a nice blessed day , Maybe this doesnt have anything to do with the subject I know is that Christine came convinced my girlfriend that her parents were going to die if she didnt give her money and she ended up giving her entire savings on top of that Christine Caine told my girlfriend that her parents also had to give money but her parents did not want to give money so she tried to steal it from them and then got caught after that she bore owed money to give to christines king and Im talking thousands of dollars this is what Christine Caine did to me And my girlfriend I didnt know anything about it until it was all done Meanwhile Im watching my girlfriend go through hell because she wants all this money to give to Christine Caine anyway she possibly can get it she has turned into a nut case and there doesnt seem to be anything I can do about it so here I am Making my comment. 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